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Bob Jones University

How this student rated the school
Educational QualityF Faculty AccessibilityD
Useful SchoolworkC Excess CompetitionF
Academic SuccessD Creativity/ InnovationC
Individual ValueD University Resource UseC
Campus Aesthetics/ BeautyA- FriendlinessC
Campus MaintenanceA- Social LifeB-
Surrounding CityD Extra CurricularsB
SafetyB-
Describes the student body as:
Friendly

Describes the faculty as:
Self Absorbed

Female
Not so bright
Lowest Rating
Educational Quality
F
Highest Rating
Campus Aesthetics/ Beauty
A-
She cares more about Educational Quality than the average student.
Date: Jul 01 2012
Major: Religion/Religious (This Major's Salary over time)
I will admit initially when I visited BJU for Bible Conference, I was impressed with the maintenance of the campus. I liked the banquet style meals with the linens, candlelight, and real silverware. I did like the movies, Wine of the Morning and Sheffey which premiered that week. I did like my society and mission prayer band. i did have friends. I was aware of the rules too. But I realized that students came from different backgrounds and different churches and may/may not have been aware of the rules. The church which referred me was very strict, in some cases, probably stricter than the University. There are some rules I can understand in respect to problems with addictions such as not drinking, no drugs, etc… However, wine is in the Bible. So is dancing. Anyone who watches PBS has seen dancing and can define it, definitely critics and celebrities trained in the fine arts recognize dance. Choreography is the arrangement of dances.I don't object to choreography, but can understand restrictions provided it is defined as dance. I did like the rotating table assignments and the food. I did like the vespers. I would have changed the title of campus parent to campus sponsor. I don't want to replace my own family. I did have teachers I liked.

I didn't like the way that the students were represented by the administration in public. Students signed up to be good witnesses and productive members of their community. We didn't sign up to be labeled radical troublemakers. Many would work within the laws also. I think there was an attitude that the law could be excused for religous observances. I don't necessary agree with that interpretation as I read Romans. Anytime one disagreed, one was either labeled immature, rebellious, or inexperienced and ignorant of Biblical principles. They didn't accept other Christians from other backgrounds and those who came in without exposure or outside their Christian school network were treated on a separate tier from those who grew up in that environment. Also one could get in trouble for external matters whereas at other schools, including other Christian colleges and universities, one was only held accountable for one's conduct. One was also expected to control others and people outside the BJU network don't accept that control, especially when they dd not enroll or financially support BJU or their affiliated churches.

The college directories are very thick and there are many Christian affiliated colleges and universities listed. At the time I chose to attend the school, it was many directories but has since been removed. I do not think that BJU is the only representative of Christiany although they want you to believe their affiliated schools and universities and ministries are. I do not even feel that BJU represents many Baptists although again, they would like you to believe they are the only Bible practicing Baptists.

I did sign the petition although now I am aware of the controversy about Do Right BJU. I'm not going to make further comment since I do not know details. I was disturbed about what I was hearing with the news media. I also believe many attend colleges and universities to be trained in the work force.

I think recruiting and retention are problems at BJU. I also do not they provide enough services so that anyone who wants to succeed can. Also one can be removed at anytime or any reason without apology and very little notice up to the time of graduation. This doesn't happen at other schools except when there are felonies. Discipline could be very subjective and again could involve external matters beyond the control of the students.

We have the freedom of speech. TRACS can call itself whatever it wants. Also those who do not have traditional doctorates can act as though they do with honorary doctorates. I think at least, at minimium they should use the abbreviation h.c. to indicate these4 are honorary doctorates although I don't like the practice at all. Several institutions do not award them at all.

I did not work at the time so I can't make comments in respect to employment.

Students had very limited contact with faculty usually in vespers, assemblies, and advising or class instruction. It was very limited. Undergraduates did not mix with graduates unless they had special permission. DAting was very restricted. And one had to get permission to go off campus.

I don't think it's a bad idea to let somebody know where they are if they leave the campus just incase of some unforseen unfortunate event. However, we are adults.

I do feel that there was a lot of confusion in respect to convictions and rules. It may have been very apparent to those raised in that environment in supportive institutions; however, those who did not come from those backgrounds had more difficulty as did those who came from other denominations.

Had the school been regionally accredited, it would have been much easier to transfer and pick up elsewhere. I think much of the bitterness has to do with the fact that the credits didn't transfer in many cases and that even other traditional schools were hostile to BJU, not just liberal schools. Students found themselves isolated. There really wasn't much network offered to help students outside of the BJU affiliated schools either. In some cases, the administration and faculty were hostile for those seeking instruction outside their institutions. I think there were other options in my case and I wish I had checked them out and spent at least enough time to finish my associate degree before I transferred. There should have been no reason to rush the completion of one goal before another, maybe even a year of work too. That would have given me time to read the news and become more oaware of the repuation. I just took the word of a minister who probably got his honorary doctorate recruiting naive students like me.

Responses
responseThis was a pretty good review. Good balance to it, although I somewhat felt reading through it that a little extra sympathy for BJU and its ways remained. Also, meaningless as this may be, I think you were being needlessly harsh by rating yourself as "Not So Bright". People with the self-awareness and honesty to assess themselves as not that bright usually are smarter than they think. Anyway. Thank you for writing such an extensive, detailed review. It was interesting and insightful for me, and I hope and believe will be eye-opening for prospective college student who happens to read it.

That BJU made such a good impression up front does not surprise me. Everything I have come to know about that school tells me that superficial impressions are definitely something that BJU is good at. Naturally, even the most corrupt institutions will claim to righteousness and work to entice new recruits. I personally believe that BJU are NOT at all representative of true Christianity, nor are they true representatives of the Baptist denomination. How could they be? In the late 1990s, they threatened a homosexual graduate with arrest if he ever came back to campus. There was a ban in interracial dating until, what, 2004? Close-minded, legalistic, and I would bet even today, homophobic and racist are adjectives that well describe BJU. They are just legalistic fundamentalists who have convinced themselves and an isolated community of hard-right Christians that their way is the only way.

I know absolutely nothing about any controversy about Do Right BJU. The anti-BJU or reform-BJU movements seem to have petered out and lost steam anyway. I for one remain convinced that BJU will never really change even if small alterations occur, and that attempting to reform such a place is a waste of time.

It is absolutely ridiculous that BJU students are required- among MANY other things- to request permission to go off campus. Only one other type of institution of higher learning engages in that practice, and that is the military college. But West Point, The Citadel, and Virginia Military Institute are VERY different and more open-minded institutions overall, ones that tolerate a much wider range of belief systems and attitudes within their student body. Ironically, BJU is more militaristic about controlling its students' lives than the iconic military colleges are.

BJU as of June 2016 is on candidacy status with SACSOC. This is after being proudly unaccredited (TRACS means nothing to the real world) since 1927. They teach, I hear, that evolution is a lie and that depression is caused by sin, so whether these things or any of BJU's other laughably strict rules will change as they finally seek regional accreditation I have no idea. I hope BJU never gets regional accreditation. It is too hostile to any way of life other than its own.

And with this final paragraph of yours, we get to one of the best parts of the whole review. The fact that every graduate and former student up to 2015 has credits and/or a degree that are totally unaccredited for all it matters is one of the biggest downsides to attending BJU. You will get a degree that BJU and its network of associated churches and companies will say is the best on the planet, but try to go anywhere else, especially as a transfer, and you will find a different story. Ha, funny! BJU not being liked by other colleges. Imagine that. This last paragraph is highly insightful and revealing; I am not at all surprised to read that BJU's former students are on their own if they depart from the small, cloistered world of people and institutions affiliated with BJU. I actually found something on BJU's website here in 2016 in which they essentially said the whole rest of the world is doomed to Hell and that BJU urges any loyal to its way of thinking to isolate themselves from the world and its ways. Thus, if a former student ever tries to rejoin the real world, they will have a hard time of it because no network from BJU exists to help. I am NOT surprised to find BJU administration and faculty were sometimes hostile to your decision to transfer out of BJU. Naturally anyone wanting to depart from the ranks of such a holy institution is doing wrong as far as they're concerned. Overall, it sounds like you managed to get out of there with your life and sanity at least largely intact, but you were definitely suckered in by BJU and robbed of valuable time and money. It's good that you wrote this review. Maybe you'll stop someone out there from getting taken for a ride like you did.

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